tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6611428576618916589.post2539524116733724048..comments2023-08-15T23:02:27.697+10:00Comments on Australian Atheist: Does the decline in religiosity lead to a decline in civic values?Australian Atheisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14707311954565717744noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6611428576618916589.post-29782701515675481272011-12-31T21:13:59.961+11:002011-12-31T21:13:59.961+11:00I think most donors give to what you could loosely...I think most donors give to what you could loosely call "hobbies", whether it be partisan politics, clubs, societies, the arts or sports. Why are you so insistent that only religious people who give to religious bodies (many of which are charities) should be considered hobbyists?Jonathan Bakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6611428576618916589.post-64426262856265941552008-05-03T00:07:00.000+10:002008-05-03T00:07:00.000+10:00http://thomashawk.com/hello/209/1017/400/Johnny%20...http://thomashawk.com/hello/209/1017/400/Johnny%20Cash%20Finger.jpgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6611428576618916589.post-83321809030224850702008-05-03T00:06:00.000+10:002008-05-03T00:06:00.000+10:00for dawkins & randi and the rest of the so-called ...for dawkins & randi and the rest of the so-called "critical thinkers"...<BR/><BR/><BR/>The *MODEL* of mental health:<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBEbfiaZTfc<BR/><BR/>"Look at the ANGLE OF THE KEY....see that, see that...."<BR/><BR/>what a fucking idiot this Randi is.....a REAL CRITICAL THINKER.....<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Visit:<BR/><BR/>http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/3283/P0/<BR/><BR/>to see how we stopped James Randi's fraudulent MILLION DOLLAR PARANORMAL challenge.....<BR/><BR/>watch carefully the consequences of Randi's *idea*…..<BR/><BR/>For over 40 years James Randi Zwigert (is this even a REAL NAME?) has had total control over who and how the testing was conducted, yet despite all this he has terminated the challenge.<BR/><BR/>The ONLY REASON why the challenge was stopped is because he lost and refused to pay.<BR/><BR/>Apparently, Randi likes to break the rules when it serves him:<BR/><BR/><BR/>"14. This prize will continue to be offered until it is awarded. Upon the death of James Randi, the administration of the prize will pass into other hands, and it is intended that it continue in force. "<BR/><BR/>Great force.....it's over......<BR/><BR/>where is my MILLION DOLLARS, you LITTLE *NO-NAME* FRAUD<BR/><BR/><BR/>PS: Almost Forgot: Love the IRONY of the *BULLSHIT* sign over Randi's ugly little head....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6611428576618916589.post-92048909442783589482008-02-01T18:10:00.000+11:002008-02-01T18:10:00.000+11:00[i]“I agree with you AA that it has more to do wit...[i]“I agree with you AA that it has more to do with taht they are 'forced' (or expected) to help.”[/i]<BR/><BR/>I don’t think you can say that. The claim is not that donation of time/money is correlated with church participation or involvement, but that it is correlated with the holding of religious or spiritual beliefs. This may be quite different, especially where teenagers are concerned. <BR/><BR/>I’m also a little bothered by AA’s assertion that the donation of time or money to a church of which one is a member should be classed as a “hobby” rather than generosity. I think this is a false dichotomy. If I donate time or money to, say, Amnesty International because I am motivated by the values I hold with respect to freedom, justice and the rule of law, is that a hobby? If I volunteer for the Vinnies or for the Smith Family because I acknowledge a moral obligation to assist others, is that a hobby? Does the answer depend on whether my acknowledgement is rooted in Christian faith, or in secular humanism? If I volunteer to lead a study group, is it “generosity” if the subject is adult literacy or local history, but a “hobby” if the subject is the Gospel of Mark?<BR/><BR/>Nearly everybody who volunteers for anything does so because of a personal interest in the work, and affirms that they derive personal benefit from what they do. This does not depend on whether their motivation is religious or non-religious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6611428576618916589.post-77646306879253733482008-02-01T11:46:00.000+11:002008-02-01T11:46:00.000+11:00I agree with you AA that it has more to do with ta...I agree with you AA that it has more to do with taht they are 'forced' (or expected) to help.<BR/><BR/>Some people will always want to 'do good works' the church is just one way like minded people can get together. If there were no churches, these people will still find a way to get together and do good works. <BR/>There are a lot of atheist charity and volunteer organisations. It's just that most of these are not advertised as 'atheist' or even realise they are 'atheist'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6611428576618916589.post-91346929586556700462008-02-01T11:17:00.000+11:002008-02-01T11:17:00.000+11:00I guess the point is that without regular church a...I guess the point is that without regular church attendance people are forced into community building situations as often.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6611428576618916589.post-53752126104217662892008-02-01T07:32:00.000+11:002008-02-01T07:32:00.000+11:00It's not really surprising. But not all those teen...It's not really surprising. But not all those teenagers with religious beliefs will remain religious. And I wouldn't be surprised if they were more likely to stop believing than stop being involved in their communities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com